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		<title>By: Sorrelle Golomb</title>
		<link>http://propr.ca/2006/aeroplan-this-is-no-way-to-run-a-customer-loyalty-program/comment-page-1/#comment-415906</link>
		<dc:creator>Sorrelle Golomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Extremely Frustrated!!!!!

I just had an extremely long telephone conversation (mostly on hold) with manager &quot;Sandy Employee # BN&quot; where she told me is was fair to pay $165 for the privilege of using my Aeroplan miles on a 15k short haul flight.  I cannot argue with gov&#039;t taxes but they do not give you a breakdown of &quot;combined fees&quot;...you have to call and ask. So I did.  $50 is a fuel charge.  When I asked why a $30 + tx charge for booking with an agent she told me “they did not pull my credit card number out of a hat to charge me for this ticket”.  I informed her the information was not available online, which I told the booking agent and he did inform me there would be a charge, I just did not realize it would be a robbery!..she told me I should have asked first, and I agree with her on this.  I should never have imagined it was a real loyalty programme.  In the end her advice to me was &quot;if you are not happy I can cancel yourentire ticket at a fee&quot;......for the record Delta&#039;s cost (including all taxes) for using points on the exact same route is $45.00
I&#039;m not sure who reads these, if anyone from Aeroplan but if you do I strongly suggest you replace your front line customer service people with ones who actually have some respect and comprehension of what &quot;customer service&quot; and “loyalty” means!.....She was probably the rudest, most disrespectful agent/manager I have ever spoken to!  The whole point of having points to use is that we HAVE PAID and EARNED the right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is not an opportunity for AEROPLAN to make you feel like they are doing you a favour!
I am disgusted with the treatment I just received. Not just because I disagree with being charged an additional $30 just to book a ticket on the telephone with them, but because of the manner in which they treat their clients, like we are completely dispensable.  Proof in her resolution by offering to cancel the use of MY POINTS, at a cost to me of course!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Extremely Frustrated!!!!!</p>
<p>I just had an extremely long telephone conversation (mostly on hold) with manager &#8220;Sandy Employee # BN&#8221; where she told me is was fair to pay $165 for the privilege of using my Aeroplan miles on a 15k short haul flight.  I cannot argue with gov&#8217;t taxes but they do not give you a breakdown of &#8220;combined fees&#8221;&#8230;you have to call and ask. So I did.  $50 is a fuel charge.  When I asked why a $30 + tx charge for booking with an agent she told me “they did not pull my credit card number out of a hat to charge me for this ticket”.  I informed her the information was not available online, which I told the booking agent and he did inform me there would be a charge, I just did not realize it would be a robbery!..she told me I should have asked first, and I agree with her on this.  I should never have imagined it was a real loyalty programme.  In the end her advice to me was &#8220;if you are not happy I can cancel yourentire ticket at a fee&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;for the record Delta&#8217;s cost (including all taxes) for using points on the exact same route is $45.00<br />
I&#8217;m not sure who reads these, if anyone from Aeroplan but if you do I strongly suggest you replace your front line customer service people with ones who actually have some respect and comprehension of what &#8220;customer service&#8221; and “loyalty” means!&#8230;..She was probably the rudest, most disrespectful agent/manager I have ever spoken to!  The whole point of having points to use is that we HAVE PAID and EARNED the right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is not an opportunity for AEROPLAN to make you feel like they are doing you a favour!<br />
I am disgusted with the treatment I just received. Not just because I disagree with being charged an additional $30 just to book a ticket on the telephone with them, but because of the manner in which they treat their clients, like we are completely dispensable.  Proof in her resolution by offering to cancel the use of MY POINTS, at a cost to me of course!</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Bent</title>
		<link>http://propr.ca/2006/aeroplan-this-is-no-way-to-run-a-customer-loyalty-program/comment-page-1/#comment-355759</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Bent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To whom it may concern,
I have just spent the last hour on the phone with Areoplan trying to find out why my daughter is at the Toronto airport looking out the window at the  flight she is supposed to be on. They have sold her fight to someone else because the fight from Winnipeg to Toronto was six minutes late landing. The explaination was that where her fight to Toronto was delayed by a whole six minutes they felt they had the right to sell her seat, which has been booked for over five months. To finalize this part of the story the flight that she is watching on the tarmac has been delayed for one hour. Does the right hand not know what the left hand is doing, not to mention the security problem which this situation may cause? If Air Canada does not know when all fights are coming and leaving at any given time I say they have a problem.

To top this off the Air Canada personnel who handled this problem in the beginning was very rude. I am surprised that this this women has a job. 

While waiting for this answer from Aeroplan I stumbled across this web site and have found myself in all the above mentioned situations being a long time member. I am very seriously considering a new approach to my future traveling plans which does not include Aeroplan or Air Canada.

This message comes from a very frustrated Aeroplan member who feels that being one of their customers is a very unsatisfying relationship. 

Regards,

Bryan Bent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To whom it may concern,<br />
I have just spent the last hour on the phone with Areoplan trying to find out why my daughter is at the Toronto airport looking out the window at the  flight she is supposed to be on. They have sold her fight to someone else because the fight from Winnipeg to Toronto was six minutes late landing. The explaination was that where her fight to Toronto was delayed by a whole six minutes they felt they had the right to sell her seat, which has been booked for over five months. To finalize this part of the story the flight that she is watching on the tarmac has been delayed for one hour. Does the right hand not know what the left hand is doing, not to mention the security problem which this situation may cause? If Air Canada does not know when all fights are coming and leaving at any given time I say they have a problem.</p>
<p>To top this off the Air Canada personnel who handled this problem in the beginning was very rude. I am surprised that this this women has a job. </p>
<p>While waiting for this answer from Aeroplan I stumbled across this web site and have found myself in all the above mentioned situations being a long time member. I am very seriously considering a new approach to my future traveling plans which does not include Aeroplan or Air Canada.</p>
<p>This message comes from a very frustrated Aeroplan member who feels that being one of their customers is a very unsatisfying relationship. </p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Bryan Bent</p>
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		<title>By: lila</title>
		<link>http://propr.ca/2006/aeroplan-this-is-no-way-to-run-a-customer-loyalty-program/comment-page-1/#comment-353104</link>
		<dc:creator>lila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too lost 13000 unused miles.  The letter came late and   was not explanatory.   Try getting a flight on your aeroplan miles----almost impossible.! There should be a joint class action against aeroplan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too lost 13000 unused miles.  The letter came late and   was not explanatory.   Try getting a flight on your aeroplan miles&#8212;-almost impossible.! There should be a joint class action against aeroplan.</p>
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		<title>By: R Solomon</title>
		<link>http://propr.ca/2006/aeroplan-this-is-no-way-to-run-a-customer-loyalty-program/comment-page-1/#comment-237895</link>
		<dc:creator>R Solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AIR MILES STOLEN

I have been a member of Aeroplan since the late 1980&#039;s and only used the card when flying on Air Canada. My wife and I had 47K miles between us.  Just booked a flight with Air Canada and when I went to use my Aeroplan card they explained that under their new polocy, I no longer had a member ship in the plan and had lost all my miles because I was inactive for one year.   By their own cost base they have stolen over $600 from me.   What a way to run a loyality program.   
Another friend just lost over 200K miles for the same reason.

I will write to AC to see if they can do anything about this problem, but 
I assume they are in on the scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AIR MILES STOLEN</p>
<p>I have been a member of Aeroplan since the late 1980&#8242;s and only used the card when flying on Air Canada. My wife and I had 47K miles between us.  Just booked a flight with Air Canada and when I went to use my Aeroplan card they explained that under their new polocy, I no longer had a member ship in the plan and had lost all my miles because I was inactive for one year.   By their own cost base they have stolen over $600 from me.   What a way to run a loyality program.<br />
Another friend just lost over 200K miles for the same reason.</p>
<p>I will write to AC to see if they can do anything about this problem, but<br />
I assume they are in on the scam.</p>
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		<title>By: A Comeau</title>
		<link>http://propr.ca/2006/aeroplan-this-is-no-way-to-run-a-customer-loyalty-program/comment-page-1/#comment-227490</link>
		<dc:creator>A Comeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Air Canada Aeroplan 
Cancellation Fee amounts to 102% of ticket price!!

Complaint Rating: 
In good faith, we made a reservation in June 2007 for two short haul Canada-US flights in Aug using 15,000 Aeroplan miles. Due to unforseen circumstances, our flights had to be cancelled two days later (well outside the 22 day no-cancellation window) since we could not travel at that time. 

The fee charged was $286.00 for recovering the Aeroplan points, or 102% of the original ticket price! When we called to enquire, the agent called this a &quot;reasonable&quot; handling fee.. I can imagine a 10 or even 20% charge, but certainly not in excess of 100%. Other US airlines charge $50, which may be more in line with true transaction costs. 

BEWARE - The cancellation policy was NOT displayed during the web booking session; Aeroplan has refused to refund even a portion of the charges. It would have been cheaper to buy a cash ticket and throw it away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Air Canada Aeroplan<br />
Cancellation Fee amounts to 102% of ticket price!!</p>
<p>Complaint Rating:<br />
In good faith, we made a reservation in June 2007 for two short haul Canada-US flights in Aug using 15,000 Aeroplan miles. Due to unforseen circumstances, our flights had to be cancelled two days later (well outside the 22 day no-cancellation window) since we could not travel at that time. </p>
<p>The fee charged was $286.00 for recovering the Aeroplan points, or 102% of the original ticket price! When we called to enquire, the agent called this a &#8220;reasonable&#8221; handling fee.. I can imagine a 10 or even 20% charge, but certainly not in excess of 100%. Other US airlines charge $50, which may be more in line with true transaction costs. </p>
<p>BEWARE &#8211; The cancellation policy was NOT displayed during the web booking session; Aeroplan has refused to refund even a portion of the charges. It would have been cheaper to buy a cash ticket and throw it away.</p>
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		<title>By: Disgruntled, Toronto</title>
		<link>http://propr.ca/2006/aeroplan-this-is-no-way-to-run-a-customer-loyalty-program/comment-page-1/#comment-193758</link>
		<dc:creator>Disgruntled, Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lack of customer service? I just got off the phone with a &quot;supervisor&quot; who simply said to me that she had explained the situation to me over 10 times (she only said it twice before she got flustered) and then hung up on ME! After being on the phone with Aeroplan for the last two hours (this is frequently the case when dealing with agents), and having them be insolent to their own customers, I am thinking of dropping them.  My family and I have been loyal to AC and Aeroplan for the last 20 years and I think it&#039;s about time that we switch to another rewards plan such as Adventura. 

Going to do a little venting...Aeroplan does not show all available flights and routes on their website, which therefore leads you to call and speak with an agent (cost= $30 if you book) to ensure that what you see online is the best available. So I did, as I always do and the agent told me to book online since she could not offer me anything different. The problem here is that I was booking an executive class ticket (although not confirmed, you have the chance of being upgraded), so we proceeded online. Unbeknownst to us, the flight does NOT have executive service AT ALL...so we basically paid 40,000 extra points for the shortest leg of the itinerary (1 hour) with no chance of an upgrade for the international portion....

So I called Aeroplan, requesting that they either downgrade the ticket and refund the 40,000 extra points (they said that would cost $135/tix) or waive a $55 change fee to a more direct flight with the executive service even though the itinerary could not be confirmed for executive. I even offered to pay an agent fee of $30, but they refused to acknowledge any miscommunication or the fact that THEIR agent was infact the one to tell me to book online! 

More importantly, the thing that pisses me off about Aeroplan is that it all depends on the agent you speak with and the fact that I got one BI@#* of a supervisor who must have been having a pissy day has blocked any other supervisor from allowing some leaniency since the previous one said the issue was closed. 

So, CUSTOMER SERVICE? There is very little and it really depends on who you get. Booking flights?  We booked well in advance and illogically, there are better options closer to the date of departure than there were then...CUSTOMER SERVICE?  How is that a way to serve your customers?

Well, Aeroplan needs to seriously reconsider how they treat their loyal customers because they may decide to look at other more amicable options!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lack of customer service? I just got off the phone with a &#8220;supervisor&#8221; who simply said to me that she had explained the situation to me over 10 times (she only said it twice before she got flustered) and then hung up on ME! After being on the phone with Aeroplan for the last two hours (this is frequently the case when dealing with agents), and having them be insolent to their own customers, I am thinking of dropping them.  My family and I have been loyal to AC and Aeroplan for the last 20 years and I think it&#8217;s about time that we switch to another rewards plan such as Adventura. </p>
<p>Going to do a little venting&#8230;Aeroplan does not show all available flights and routes on their website, which therefore leads you to call and speak with an agent (cost= $30 if you book) to ensure that what you see online is the best available. So I did, as I always do and the agent told me to book online since she could not offer me anything different. The problem here is that I was booking an executive class ticket (although not confirmed, you have the chance of being upgraded), so we proceeded online. Unbeknownst to us, the flight does NOT have executive service AT ALL&#8230;so we basically paid 40,000 extra points for the shortest leg of the itinerary (1 hour) with no chance of an upgrade for the international portion&#8230;.</p>
<p>So I called Aeroplan, requesting that they either downgrade the ticket and refund the 40,000 extra points (they said that would cost $135/tix) or waive a $55 change fee to a more direct flight with the executive service even though the itinerary could not be confirmed for executive. I even offered to pay an agent fee of $30, but they refused to acknowledge any miscommunication or the fact that THEIR agent was infact the one to tell me to book online! </p>
<p>More importantly, the thing that pisses me off about Aeroplan is that it all depends on the agent you speak with and the fact that I got one BI@#* of a supervisor who must have been having a pissy day has blocked any other supervisor from allowing some leaniency since the previous one said the issue was closed. </p>
<p>So, CUSTOMER SERVICE? There is very little and it really depends on who you get. Booking flights?  We booked well in advance and illogically, there are better options closer to the date of departure than there were then&#8230;CUSTOMER SERVICE?  How is that a way to serve your customers?</p>
<p>Well, Aeroplan needs to seriously reconsider how they treat their loyal customers because they may decide to look at other more amicable options!</p>
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		<title>By: Casey Hansum, Calgary, Canada</title>
		<link>http://propr.ca/2006/aeroplan-this-is-no-way-to-run-a-customer-loyalty-program/comment-page-1/#comment-82992</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey Hansum, Calgary, Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is better to just pay than to use Areoplan.  Aeroplan is an insult to the intelligence to anyone with an I.Q over 50.  Should you wish to increase your blood pressure, heart rate and nervous system, then by all means use Areoplan.  The web site alone makes a Rubics cube mere child&#039;s play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is better to just pay than to use Areoplan.  Aeroplan is an insult to the intelligence to anyone with an I.Q over 50.  Should you wish to increase your blood pressure, heart rate and nervous system, then by all means use Areoplan.  The web site alone makes a Rubics cube mere child&#8217;s play.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey Hansum, Calgary, Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey Hansum, Calgary, Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aeroplan is frustration plus.  For eaxample: to fly return from Calgary to Phoenix takes no less than 6 hours each way. Amerca West flies non stop in 3hours and 15 minutes.  Have you tried flying Business Class to Europe?  One way will be Business and the return, or vice versa will be economy. Air Canada gives you reasons not to fly with them instead of the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aeroplan is frustration plus.  For eaxample: to fly return from Calgary to Phoenix takes no less than 6 hours each way. Amerca West flies non stop in 3hours and 15 minutes.  Have you tried flying Business Class to Europe?  One way will be Business and the return, or vice versa will be economy. Air Canada gives you reasons not to fly with them instead of the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 03:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot believe that the Aeroplan web support reps tell me that they cannot correct omissions in the data base ..ie. flights avilable on Air Canada at www.aircanada.ca, but missing on aeroplan.ca
The rep told me that he had no idea of what department he could even call to get the problem rectified !!!!
When I asked him where the CEO of Aeroplan was located, he replied &quot;I think it&#039;s Vancouver&quot;
.... How can such a poorly managed rewards program be so highly valued on the TSE ????????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot believe that the Aeroplan web support reps tell me that they cannot correct omissions in the data base ..ie. flights avilable on Air Canada at <a href="http://www.aircanada.ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.aircanada.ca</a>, but missing on aeroplan.ca<br />
The rep told me that he had no idea of what department he could even call to get the problem rectified !!!!<br />
When I asked him where the CEO of Aeroplan was located, he replied &#8220;I think it&#8217;s Vancouver&#8221;<br />
&#8230;. How can such a poorly managed rewards program be so highly valued on the TSE ????????????</p>
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		<title>By: Seema</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 20:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you!  I travel at least three times a year between Germany and Canada and when I needed my points - they were gone.  OK, I got over that.  It&#039;s funny how waiting over 8 months for a non-response can make you lose hope of ever getting and answer.  I&#039;ve since had 5 other complaints, that went unanswered.  The last straw was an e-mail from the customer service (LOL) department telling me 1/that they are unable to handle the complaint and 2/ that that complaint was resolved!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you!  I travel at least three times a year between Germany and Canada and when I needed my points &#8211; they were gone.  OK, I got over that.  It&#8217;s funny how waiting over 8 months for a non-response can make you lose hope of ever getting and answer.  I&#8217;ve since had 5 other complaints, that went unanswered.  The last straw was an e-mail from the customer service (LOL) department telling me 1/that they are unable to handle the complaint and 2/ that that complaint was resolved!!</p>
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