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		<title>By: Neither rain, nor hail, nor sleet and snow&#8230; &#171; Media Bullseye &#8211; A New Media and Communications Magazine</title>
		<link>http://propr.ca/2008/ira-basen-objects-to-my-twitter-coverage-of-his-conference-presentation/comment-page-1/#comment-679666</link>
		<dc:creator>Neither rain, nor hail, nor sleet and snow&#8230; &#171; Media Bullseye &#8211; A New Media and Communications Magazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first topic for discussion is the exchange between Joe Thornley and Ira Basen over live-Tweeting the Canadian Institute Conference on Social Media. Is live-Tweeting [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Why Can&#8217;t MSM and Social Media Be Friends? &#171; Tell Ten Friends Marketing Co.</title>
		<link>http://propr.ca/2008/ira-basen-objects-to-my-twitter-coverage-of-his-conference-presentation/comment-page-1/#comment-676964</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Can&#8217;t MSM and Social Media Be Friends? &#171; Tell Ten Friends Marketing Co.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been an excellent discussion over at Joe Thornley’s blog about the Canadian Institute Conference on Social Media.  Joe [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Why Can&#8217;s MSM and Social Media be Friends? &#171; Tell Ten Friends Marketing Co.</title>
		<link>http://propr.ca/2008/ira-basen-objects-to-my-twitter-coverage-of-his-conference-presentation/comment-page-1/#comment-676184</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Can&#8217;s MSM and Social Media be Friends? &#171; Tell Ten Friends Marketing Co.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been an excellent discussion over at Joe Thornley’s blog about the Canadian Institute Conference on Social Media.  Joe [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SRS22</title>
		<link>http://propr.ca/2008/ira-basen-objects-to-my-twitter-coverage-of-his-conference-presentation/comment-page-1/#comment-595441</link>
		<dc:creator>SRS22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to go with Ira on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to go with Ira on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: My Top Twelve Posts Of 2008 &#124; davefleet.com</title>
		<link>http://propr.ca/2008/ira-basen-objects-to-my-twitter-coverage-of-his-conference-presentation/comment-page-1/#comment-584328</link>
		<dc:creator>My Top Twelve Posts Of 2008 &#124; davefleet.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In the summer of 2008 I attended a (award-winning) blogger relations event held by Molson, which started a chain of events leading to a bit of an online storm around blogger relations. I was always amused that no-one who was actually involved in the event (as an attendee or an organizer) had anything bad to say about it; all of the criticism was based on second or third-hand accounts of events. The controversy continues to this day. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In the summer of 2008 I attended a (award-winning) blogger relations event held by Molson, which started a chain of events leading to a bit of an online storm around blogger relations. I was always amused that no-one who was actually involved in the event (as an attendee or an organizer) had anything bad to say about it; all of the criticism was based on second or third-hand accounts of events. The controversy continues to this day. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Inside PR &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Inside PR #142 - Wednesday, December 17, 2008</title>
		<link>http://propr.ca/2008/ira-basen-objects-to-my-twitter-coverage-of-his-conference-presentation/comment-page-1/#comment-581207</link>
		<dc:creator>Inside PR &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Inside PR #142 - Wednesday, December 17, 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] made at a Canadian Institute conference on Social Media, which Joe twittered. Joe presented this exchange on his blog. He also provides Ira&#8217;s speech on his [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Jones</title>
		<link>http://propr.ca/2008/ira-basen-objects-to-my-twitter-coverage-of-his-conference-presentation/comment-page-1/#comment-580282</link>
		<dc:creator>David Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating discussion.  The relationship between PR people and journalists will always be complicated.  Sometimes its too chummy, other times too adversarial, but it&#039;s a part of the flow of information in this world and isn&#039;t likely to change.  

I&#039;m a PR person with a journalism degree from Ryerson.  As a PR guy, I&#039;ve had media at major dailies ask me to dictate copy to them over the phone and publish quotes from me first and then phone me to ask me if &quot;that was something I would have said&quot;.  I&#039;ve had media knowingly publish rumour and anonymous-sourced stories without trying to get a confirmation from my organization.  Fact is, I&#039;m sure PR people have had as many disappointing experiences with media as media have had with them.  It makes the world go &#039;round.

As far as social media is concerned, Ira&#039;s got the same questions that many of us have.  How do media, PR people and citizens with access to a raft of self-publishing tools co-exist and make sense of the completely unfettered, unstructured and unedited flow of information we have to deal with on a real time basis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating discussion.  The relationship between PR people and journalists will always be complicated.  Sometimes its too chummy, other times too adversarial, but it&#8217;s a part of the flow of information in this world and isn&#8217;t likely to change.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a PR person with a journalism degree from Ryerson.  As a PR guy, I&#8217;ve had media at major dailies ask me to dictate copy to them over the phone and publish quotes from me first and then phone me to ask me if &#8220;that was something I would have said&#8221;.  I&#8217;ve had media knowingly publish rumour and anonymous-sourced stories without trying to get a confirmation from my organization.  Fact is, I&#8217;m sure PR people have had as many disappointing experiences with media as media have had with them.  It makes the world go &#8217;round.</p>
<p>As far as social media is concerned, Ira&#8217;s got the same questions that many of us have.  How do media, PR people and citizens with access to a raft of self-publishing tools co-exist and make sense of the completely unfettered, unstructured and unedited flow of information we have to deal with on a real time basis?</p>
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		<title>By: Byron</title>
		<link>http://propr.ca/2008/ira-basen-objects-to-my-twitter-coverage-of-his-conference-presentation/comment-page-1/#comment-579288</link>
		<dc:creator>Byron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really interesting example of new and old worlds colliding. While Twittering during a conference is the norm in some circles, it&#039;s not the case everywhere. It will be interesting to see where things go as the new and old worlds integrate, since personalities are sometimes better suited to one or the other model.

It&#039;s really about the nature of conversation.

* When the speaker is excluded from the conversation, it really does amount to a technophilic version of talking behind someone&#039;s back. That&#039;s the big problem here: Ira couldn&#039;t see the tweets...
* ...in part presumably because he hasn&#039;t chosen to embrace technology in that form. Is he at fault for that? Really hard to say.
* In response to Ira&#039;s point re. journalists not being able to simply state opinions without justification vs. bloggers having no such restrictions, esp. in the case of Twitter it&#039;s because it&#039;s very different. Journalists have a soapbox and a megaphone: my comments and your comments don&#039;t appear suddently in the article we disagree with. So they must be held accountable. But with Twitter, if you say something unfounded in a conversation, six other people can point it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really interesting example of new and old worlds colliding. While Twittering during a conference is the norm in some circles, it&#8217;s not the case everywhere. It will be interesting to see where things go as the new and old worlds integrate, since personalities are sometimes better suited to one or the other model.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really about the nature of conversation.</p>
<p>* When the speaker is excluded from the conversation, it really does amount to a technophilic version of talking behind someone&#8217;s back. That&#8217;s the big problem here: Ira couldn&#8217;t see the tweets&#8230;<br />
* &#8230;in part presumably because he hasn&#8217;t chosen to embrace technology in that form. Is he at fault for that? Really hard to say.<br />
* In response to Ira&#8217;s point re. journalists not being able to simply state opinions without justification vs. bloggers having no such restrictions, esp. in the case of Twitter it&#8217;s because it&#8217;s very different. Journalists have a soapbox and a megaphone: my comments and your comments don&#8217;t appear suddently in the article we disagree with. So they must be held accountable. But with Twitter, if you say something unfounded in a conversation, six other people can point it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Recap: Social Media Breakfast Ottawa 5t</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recap: Social Media Breakfast Ottawa 5t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] polite to microblog while speaking or moderating at a conference? (Joe’s own experience is cited here.) Is it polite for the audience to microblog when the panelist or speaker doesn’t get a chance to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sourcing the crowd at SMB Ottawa &#171; Mel Gallant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sourcing the crowd at SMB Ottawa &#171; Mel Gallant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to microblog while speaking or moderating at a conference? (Joe&#8217;s own experience is cited here.) Is it polite for the audience to microblog when the panelist or speaker doesn&#8217;t get a [...]</description>
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