Mesh Day Two: How to Engage the Blogosphere

Michael O’Connor Clarke moderated this panel of Nathan Rudyk, Sarah Spence and David Carter.

Highlights:

Nathan Rudyk

  • “For a small business, you can blog and blog effectively. Use targeted keywords.”

Sarah Spence

  • “First, you need to know what’s happening in your space. Who’s in your space? Who are your competitors? Who’s offering similar services? … Talk not just about you. Talk about your industry. Get engaged in the conversation that’s already going on. Then, develop your own voice.”
    David Carter
  • “The power of blogs is that a blog equals a person.” Have multiple blogs for multiple groups of employees and multiple interests.

Nathan Rudyk

  • “Small to mid-size company: Who’s going to blog? … In a small company, it’s hard to convince senior executives to blog. … In one company, we identified ten people with customer contact. … You can harness those people. … Team blogs. It’s absolutely a way to go. Harness people with passion and put them in a team context.”

Sarah Spence

  • “We’re still figuring out how to enage bloggers. … When I was at Orange, we launched a Microsoft SmartPhone. When we launched what we found were that there were a lot of people out there who were writing about the phone. … One of the PR people realized that there were all kinds of people writing about the phone. … We just started to talk to people. We were transparent about it. … We brought them into our product launches. We gave them products ahead of time so that they could review them.”

David Carter

  • “The conversation is going on without you. And if you don’t get into the conversation, people will talk about you and you won’t have a voice. … To engage these people, first of all you acknowledge them. Thank them and respond to their comments.”

Nathan Rudyk

  • “Om Malik talked about the death of trade press to blogging. … For our clients, we are engaging the bloggers who are becoming, in fact, the new trade press.”

David Carter

  • “To make the case for blogging, I ask clients how much time they spend on emails. And I suggest that they put in an equal amount of time on engaging bloggers.”

Sarah Spence

  • “You can measure conversations, hit rates and comment trackbacks. … A lot of it is about moving organizations to appreciate the accessibility of blogs.”

David Carter

  • The one thing to convince executives to blog: “The conversation is happening without you anyway.”

Nathan Rudyk

  • “Start internally with an internal blog or Wiki.”

Sarah Spence

  • “At Orange, we found our employees were doing it anyway. And you can either harness that or try to ignore it. But you can’t shut it down.”

Sarah Spence

  • “We are just at the point of getting our clients there. And a lot of our clients aren’t ready.”
  • “In pitching bloggers, there’s a difference between the enthusiasts who are already out there discussing a topic and those people you are trying to start a conversation with.”

Mesh Day Two: Post-mass Media Marketing

Tony Chapman of Capital C led this workshop.

Highlights of Tony’s presentation:

  • The common element between mass and digital is attention – the oxygen of brand building.
  • The first 50 years of marketing relied on one thing: He who shouts loudest wins.
  • We shouted and we shouted – 3.3 million brands; 27,000 new brands launched in 2005
  • We shouted at retail: saturation; consolidation; intimidation; exploitation
  • We shouted on media
  • Advertisers are demanding more and getting less
  • And consumers stopped listening
  • Consumers went from mass media to their media: watching; searching; gravitating; loitering; forging; coaching; scavenging; playing; hunting; chatting; dating; gambling; voting; listening; joining; shopping; gaming; learning; consuming
  • But there is a new passtime that is sucking even more time online: CREATING blogging; mashing; designing; performing; confessing; publishing; creative directing; do it yourself advertising; filming; animating; living on line; expressing
  • Creating and expressing are the new pop culture trends
  • Digital is their media
  • The more time they spend with the mouse, the less time they leave the house -social isolation is increasing
  • The consumer has too many choices. They give us only two seconds of their attention
  • We are in a marketing revolution – moving from mass attention, where we never knew our consumers names, to a consumer-centric platform where we know our consumers names and so much more: how they feel; how they spend their time; where they shop and what they buy; what media they consume
  • With that type of knowledge, mass marketing becomes Precision Marketing – as targeted as one to one
  • Three simple steps to get there:
  1. Connect: Push – frame the brand in the way the consumer gets it (head; heart and hands); understand the junction between the physical and emotional appeal; take advantage of the retail theatre to anticipate and respond to the mood of shoppers; take advantage of promotional media; grassroots and sampling; word of mouth; customize mass media campaigns
  2. Engage: Push and pull – provide them with an online experience
  3. Interact: Pull – respond to your consumer wants – value added; influence; content; access; status
  • Use Advertising and PR to bring people into this process
  • Tell a story that connects with your known consumer wants – e.g. iPod; Dove; Axe; the Land of Cadbury; PepBoys Auto
  • Five predictions:
    1. Conventional mass tactics will be rendered obsolete;
    2. Consumers will hijack the creative process;
    3. Consumers will have complete power over the buying process;
    4. Wall street will pay a multiple on the size of your online community; and
    5. More advertising dollars will be spent at retail than with the conventional TV networks.

Mesh Day Two: Paul Kedrosky

Paul Kedrosky led off the business and finance discussion.

Highlights

  • “In a sense, superficially, it sure feels like a bubble. But, so what? … It takes a lot of dead bodies to fill a swamp. We’ve gotta do this stuff. Screw it up and waste a ton of money. We’ll get there by piling up a lot of bodies. … There’s way too much enthusiasm.”
  • “There’s as much money out there as there was at the bubble time. It’s more concentrated among the top tier of venture capital firms. … The trouble is that there’s this idea that the best firms are always the best. … The best venture investors fish from a very well stocked pond. … The problem for everyone else in the venture industry is that they’re fighting for scraps. These people have been given massive capital and they’re all searching around for a place to put it. … There’s a lot of people with a lot of capital trying to find homes for it. And web 2.0 happens to be a beneficiary of it.”
  • “The nice thing about web 2.0 companies is that you can do them very cheaply. … There’s a kind of democratization of entrepreneurship. … However, this comes with a downside. As soon as an opportunity comes along, 30 people rush in to fill it.”
  • In the last six months, the pendulum is swinging from the consumer side to the business side of web 2.0.
  • An example of web 2.0 companies that are making money? Plentyoffish.com
  • “It’s easy to start thinking of features as products. Because if it’s so cool to me, why aren’t people paying for it? People should not kid themselves.”
  • “AdSense is absurdly risky. In essence, I have one customer. If Google decided to change their business tomorrow…”
  • “The challenge in Canada is to get the deal flow that venture capitalists require. … Canadians see relatively fewer examples of people who have been successful in soliciting venture capital. … We need to have more prominent exits so that others in the community can do this as well.”
  • “Polaris and Kodiak both have a track record of investing in Canada.”

People can always dream…

Mesh Day Two: Steve Rubel

The second day of Mesh opened with an interactive session with Steve Rubel, the A list PR blogger.

Highlights:

  • “On the name of his blog, Micropersuasion, It’s no longer about the largest number of eyeballs. It’s about one person with a voice who can be influential. It’s about one voice and one person being just as persuasive as anybody.”
  • “Public relations has to mean literally what the word says, how to relate to the public. We’ve been dealing for years with the media. … Now it’s totally different. The public relations professional needs to know how to deal with people – as people.”
  • “We have to understand the motivations of the bloggers we deal with. Bloggers have a lot of different motivation. You have to think about how I can help this blogger to succeed and at the same time help me to succeed.”
  • “It’s about befriending a community. It’s about working with a community to further their goals and to further your own. … That’s the new model: Further the conversation.”
    The Edelman Trust barometer this year showed a shift in trust: “A person like myself or a peer is the most trusted person. People want to have a news means to connect and interact with each other.”
  • What’s working? “Advertising is still working. It’s adapting. … Word of Mouth has always worked. PR is working. … Marketing isn’t dying. PR isn’t dying. They’re just spreading out and adapting.”
  • On credibility: “The community will tell us who’s credible and who’s not. … The community does a wonderful job of checking what people are writing.”
  • “Who you should be talking to is a bigger question than who you should believe. There’s a tendency to go to the bigger blogs. … It’s not a numbers game. … You find a small section of an audience that’s interested in a specific thing and you develop a deep relationship with them.”
  • Who will pay for that? “I’ve seen some companies begin to set up budgets for community marketing.” Examples: Microsoft and Lego “Companies will see others do that and then ask themselves why they don’t do that.”
  • Campaigns are moving away from impressions and GRPs to be measured by “How many links did we get? How many conversations did we generate?”
  • “Companies will have to get their minds wrapped around that narrow is good. Niche vs. Reach.”
    About the Edelman Walmart controversy and the crossover of PR from media relations to blogger relations: “We learned from that. There are some things that are going to work and others that won’t. The important thing is to remain transparent and ethical.”
  • Re: MySpace and other social networking sites: “Look for where the relevant community is hanging out. … Whatever you do with social networks needs to be done on the terms of the community. … You need to do it politely and by fitting in.”
  • On Strumpette, the PR gossip blog: “I realize that I sit in the public. And with that, you’ve got to take your lumps.”
  • Pay for Play in the Blogosphere: “I’d advise you not to go there. Unless the rest of the world changes overnight, don’t do it. And the way to know what the world considers acceptable is to read blogs.”
  • On measuring success: “Touch points with influentials. How many times did we generate a conversation with people who are considered influentials. Also look at web traffic. Look at Links.”
  • Several questioners argued that character blogs have a place as an entertainment device. Rubel took an uncompromising position against character blogs.
  • “Character blogs are an example of blogs done wrong. Characters aren’t people. … It’s all fake. … Blogging is about real people, authenticity and conversation. It’s about the people who make the product, not the characters who are used in advertising the product. … If Mickey Mouse were really blogging, he’d be telling us how much he’s sweating in the costume and how long it has been since he went to the bathroom.”
  • “A character blog is a controlled message. It’s putting up a big shield, a barrier between you and the consumer. And consumers see that as the company saying, ‘I don’t want to get down and dirty and be honest with you.'”
  • Where is this going three years from now: “It’s headed toward a shift with advertising dollars coming out of unidirectional and going into two-way media. In three years there will be metrics … and new budgets for generating conversations.”
  • Advice to corporate executives: “Know where your people hang out. … Develop the infrastructure to have conversations. … Engage the audience in dialogue. … Empower the audience. What do they want to achieve and then help them do it.”
  • Mesh Day One

    The Mesh Conference opened in Toronto yesterday – and it delivered everything that attendees had been hoping for. Thoughtful presentations and discussions by notable speakers. And lots of attendee participation in the discussion and interaction between sessions.

    Noteworthy:

    Om Malik

    • “Reflecting on the abundance of information being added to social media everyday: When information is free, context is more valuiable. People are looking for what it means. People confuse writing opinion with writing for context.”
    • It’s tough to malke a living off adwords. We need a new advertising paradigm. CPM doesn’t make sense on blogs. The advertising is seriously lagging in its approach to blogs.
    • At a certain point, most bloggers will ask, “what am I getting out of this?” And at that point, most will begin to look for a financial return on their efforts.
    • The story never ends. Mainstream Media does not always have the space to update stories; as a blogger, I can always update the story. (Canadian journalist and blogger Mark Evans pointed out that he is able to provide more context in his blog than his is able to do in his newspaper stories.)
    • “Web 2.0 is not a technology; it’s a way of thinking.”
    • Michael Geist

      • Michael opened his presentation with a series of slides showing the cascading effect of his blog postings about a perceived conflict of interest between the Canadian Recording Industry Association, the Canadian Motion Picture Association and other advocates of a Digital Rights Management-based copyright regime and Member of Parliament Sam Bulte, then-Parliamentary Secretary to Canada’s Minister of Canadian Heritage.  These groups hosted a fundraiser for Bulte just four days prior to the 2006 Canadian election. Geist’s posts that the industry’s fundraising for Bulte suggested a too cozy relationship between a senior policy maker and a group advocating a policy position became viral in the blogosphere and broke through into mainstream media coverage. Bulte, running for re-election in a seemingly safe Liberal seat, was defeated. The controversy that enveloped Bulte as a consequence of Geist’s postings played a part in her electoral demise. (I must confess, I don’t totally agree with Michael Geist’s positions on the substance of copyright reform. However, I applaud his integrity and courage in making his point.)
      • Geist expects that the newly-elected Conservative government will introduce new copyright legislation this autumn. Ironically, he thinks that backers of copyright reform may actually look back wistfully at the copyright legislation introduced by Bulte and the then-Liberal government. He believes the Conservatives are tilting toward the DRM-based regime advocated by the recording and movie industries.
      • “DRM-based policies are failing Canadians. … Some of these reforms aren’t about copyright; they’re about market control.”
      • “What is more longtail than Canadian content?”

        Two excellent presentations to kick off Mesh.

      mesh me in Toronto, May 15 and 16

      I’ve just registered to attend mesh.

      mesh is Canada’s Web 2.0 conference, being held in Toronto on May 15 & 16. You will hear from thought leaders, connect with peers, and get a better understanding of the impact of new developments online. mesh brings together people who are passionate about the potential of the Web to change how we live, work and play. Meet the next generation of Web ideas, leaders and companies at mesh.

      Some great speakers: Om Malik, Michael Geist, Tara Hunt, Paul Kedrosky, Steve Rubel, Jason Fried, Andrew Coyne, Chris Messina, Amber MacArthur, Stewe Boyd and David Crow.

      Should be a great conversation. So, if you’re in or near or able to get to Toronto on May 15 and 16, let’s mesh!

      Thanks to David Jones for the heads up.

      Shel Israel expands focus of Naked Conversation to Web 2.0

      Shel Israel has returned from the New Communications Forum believing that blogging is entering a new phase, normalization.

      According to Shel,

      Blogging started as one of Seth Godin’s Purple Cows. I would still like to write about unique or valuable blogs–blogs that will help others find their way into the blogosphere. I hear about dozens of new blogs every week, but few, if any meet that criteria. I see blogs that are high quality, blogs that are good for the businesses and business topics they are designed to address but very few that are of Purple Cow uniqueness.

      In fact, this is a good thing, if you are a blogging evangelist. The blog is starting to become part of the business normal, just as email and the Internet did. Both of these early disruptive innovations are now boring because they are so much of the usual business routine. It was not all that long ago that having a website, or allowing employees to email on company time were highly controversial with legal departments fretting the repercussions just as they do today over blogging.

      The blog, it seems to me, is becoming just another brown cow. This again, is a good thing. First comes the excitement, then comes the prolongs inevitable change. This is what is supposed to happen. New things need to normalize if they are to endure if they are to really and truly change corporate communications as our book argues it will.

      So, Shel is expanding the focus of Naked Conversations beyond business and blogging to include Web 2.0.

      Web 2.0 is topically a natural extension of blogging. These companies are forming a “people’s web” where the blog allows an efficient conduit for two-way communications. What’s important here is not the conduit per se, but that it allows the customer to take his or her rightful place at the center of the corporation. As Charlene Li said in her conference keynote, the new technology puts the power at people’s fingertips, instead of into the hands of the corporation.

      I got into blogging because of its disruptive promise. Web 2.0 is a natural path that follows the lines of disruption and I’m going to follow down those line.

      I’m sure that Shel’s readership and community are eager to follow this path, learning and expanding our own horizons in step with him.